God created evolution. Creation is evolution. God can do anything.
Evolution does not prove there is no God.  

On Jul 5, 10:49 am, billmurra...@msn.com (Bill Murray) wrote:

Nobody ever said it does. Theistic evolution is a stance which is
fairly well accepted among scientists who are religious.  Personally I
don't buy it, I don't believe in a personal god but my reasons for
reaching such a conclusion has nothing to do with evolution.

I don't think you would find many people using Talk Origins who would
suggest that "evolution explains the diversity and distribution of
life on earth, ergo there is no God".  Evolution simply doesn't answer
that sort of question.

On Jul 5, 10:49 am, billmurra...@msn.com (Bill Murray) wrote:

Yes, but you, John Belushi and Gilda Radner will all come back to
Saturday Night Live before the anti-evolution activists admit that. ;-)

No true scientist ever said that it did.  Scientists deal in real
facts.  God is supernatural, thus beyond logical disproof.

Notice that God is also out of reach of proof.  "Belief" and "must be"
and emotion do not count as proof, no matter how loudly proclaimed.

Doug Chandler

 

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 08:01:50 -0700 (PDT), squealpiggy
<anthonyjwm...@gmail.com> wrote in talk.origins:

Anti-evolution theistic zealots, particularly the YEC kind have said
exactly that. Of course that doesn't make them correct in their claims,
but they do make them.

Yes, a stance that is roundly condemned by YECs because it accepts the
obvious reality of the evidence rather than the ignorant interpretation
of a Young Earth.

No problem.

Correct, it doesn't have anything to say about God, but that doesn't
stop certain religious zealots from falsely claiming otherwise.

Bill Murray:

Which one?

Evolution can work from a creation or scientific beginning, but it "is" not
creation.

Which one?
And that said, evidence please.

And it doesn't try to. Only morontheists claim that it tries because they
don't know shit about the real thing.

--
Romans 2:24 revised:  
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."

My personal judgment of monotheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus

Bill Murray wrote, On 05/07/08 10:49 AM:

First, science doesn't deal with "proof", science deals with evidence.

Second, the Theory of Evolution is a distinct thing from the facts of
evolution.

Third, the Theory of Evolution does not comment one way (existence) or
the other (non-existence) on God as it is a framework for explaining
observations here in the natural world, not the supernatural.

On Jul 5, 12:03 pm, Free Lunch <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:

You're right on all counts of course, I was responding to the
accusatory tone of the original message which was implying that those
who accept evolution (by virtue of, I don't know, not living under a
rock) therefore conclude that there is no God.

I'm not sure the Young Earth Creation crowd even have their own
opinions.  Most of their drivel is recycled.

On Sat, 5 Jul 2008 07:49:40 -0700, billmurra...@msn.com (Bill Murray)
enriched this group when s/he wrote:

Stupid troll!

--
Bob.

On 2008-07-05, Bill Murray <billmurra...@msn.com> wrote:

You're right.

It's the problem of evil that proves there is no God.

        Mark

On Jul 5, 10:49 am, billmurra...@msn.com (Bill Murray) wrote:
Evolutionary biology in itself doesn't prove the non-existence of God.
But careful reading of the Bible does start the process of finding
cracks in the foundations of Judeo-Christian thought. Scholars of the
Bible have developed critical literary analysis methods that make one
wonder who wrote the bible, when and why. Once critical analysis of
the bible via literary analysis, biblical archaeology, comparative
mythology, and historical contextualization makes one realize it was
nothing more than an early attempt at historical fiction the reasons
for actually believing in the God of the Elohist or Jahwist evaporate
and then one can realize how powerful evolution via selection and
drift are as an explanation of how we got here and also how we
developed mythical explanations of reality in the past.

If history had happened a little differently you might be looking to
Mithra or Muhammad. Your belief in God is contingent upon the
historical processes that affected Christendom and your own ancestors.
Constantine and Charles the Hammer Martel played a major role in
European history. Yet if my ancestors lived in the Balkans instead of
Scandanavia, I might have turned out differently. I could have been
Orthodox Christian or Muslim. The field of the Black Birds resonates
in the historical memory of every Serb, for good reason as it points
to the eventual impact of Islam in the region and the fact that Kosovo
is now different than they would have liked it to be.

On Jul 5, 1:32 pm, Mark VandeWettering <wetter...@comcast.net> wrote:
Or that there are a principle of light (Ahura Mazda) and a principle
of darkness (Ahriman) who are battling it out until the time of the
Saoshyant's arrival. Thus spake Zarathustra. Or maybe the Zurvanists
are right...Space-Time started it all and gave rise to Ahura Mazda and
Ahriman.

Eventually Ahriman would travel to Eden to coax Eve to eat the fruit
and then later would get God to mistreat Job and then would tempt
Christ. Didn't some magi travel to find Jesus during the miracle
birth? Was Eve ever near any lakes before her immaculate conception?